Curse

Naxohs Seralna · Jun 19, 2006, 10:22 PM // 22:22

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Originally Posted by crayzechick

It doesn't help that I have this...thing..where I try to be polite and never leave a group.

I have the same 'problem'. If there's as much as one friendly and polite person in the group, I just can't seem to leave. Even though the other 6 are complete a-holes, I won't press F12 --> Enter until that person has had enough and left on his/her own.

Branskins · Jun 19, 2006, 10:25 PM // 22:25

I have been both appreciated and also dissed by people. The only thing you can do is accept their thanks and their appreciation and ignore the bad comments. I do sometimes try to take suggestions but sometimes I get blamed for something not my fault.

Right now my biggest hate is towards assassins. They run really fast and get killed quickly, and they usually get mad at the monks =/

Guardian of the Light · Jun 19, 2006, 10:26 PM // 22:26

Well it can go both ways for abuse

"WHY DIDN'T YOU PULL WAMMO"

Monk: "I'm not healing you your way over there"
Wammo: "I'm still in casting range..."

Monk: "KILL THESE EMEMIES ON ME!!!!!11"
Warrior: "I need to kill the monk first"
Monk: "STFU!"

Monk: "YOUR AGGROED THAT SECOND GROUP! NOOOOBB!"

So really just ignorne these idiots wheather their monks, wammos or anything.

Lando Griffen · Jun 19, 2006, 10:50 PM // 22:50

It's the same way in pvp-with inexperienced groups that is. When your team is not being healed, it's 1 of 2 things--either bad monking, or the rest of the team isn't doing their job well enough, creating an enormous amount of pressure on the monks while the other team doesn't have to worry much.

I do believe that there are some bad monks out their (I was pve'ing one time and wondering why my team was dying, and I noticed that the monk was using suffering and other necro curses). From what I've heard (I have no experience as a pve monk), pve monking is easy because your team should be smart enough not to take on more than they can handle. So anyway, a lot of the times, it's not because of the monk, and there are a lot of complete asses out there who are way too caught up in this game even though they have no clue that they're the problem. Don't let it bother you too much, they obviously have no idea what they're talking about. I also find that anyone who uses the word "noob" as a serious insult is probably an angry little nerd who needs to take a break from the game. Just do us all a favor and keep it mature

no need to let some little kid ruin your fun

Amon Borknagar · Jun 19, 2006, 11:02 PM // 23:02

Iv'e played this game for a year now. There are people who know how to play it and there are people who don't. There are students of the game and there are dilinquents of the game. I am a student and this is what I have learned:

As far as w/mo's go, if you can't be a self sufficient killing machine, i.e., murdering and healing, take your ball and go home. A good w/mo will always be self sufficient and will take a big burden off of the monk, and the rest of his party. I design all of my mission builds with one thing in mind... freeing up the monk to help the softies. I don't mean softies in the negative sense. I need you guys to succeed. You mean more to me alive than dead, right? I'm being realistic.

I know it isn't popular anymore, but as a w/mo I carry mending for soley two purposes. If a monk is low on health, he may be rather low on energy to. So I'll drop mending on him to try to give him an edge. If he doesn't need it I cast it on me to be self sufficient. I do this with ALL my party members. So don't think all wammo's are blindly swinging away... I watch those red bars to. I have five skills devoted entirely to killing, three more to aid my party or myself. I mean come on... How hard is it? If I have mending and Balthazars Spirit on, I'll double click mending to release it and cast it on someone else. After a few seconds of regen.. bang rinse and repeat for me. I think that many w/mo's forget what the monk part in their class actually means lol. I would say alot of them are running the latest, shiny new build they got off a board somewhere and dont have the skill to use said build.

And the warrior rushing in because of adrenaline use argument is pretty shallow to me. I'd rather use energy based skills any day, and Balthazars Spirit makes sure I keep plenty of energy. I dont have patience to wait for adrenaline neways.

I guess I have been lucky enough to have studied and played long enough to make a good build, and learned how to help save my ass and someone else's if need be. So please quit bashing us w/mo's and calling us noobs...cause noob I'm not.

And I never leave without a monk and a ranger. If someone complains about a ranger being in the group... out they go. If some bashes the monk for their mistake.. they're out to. I run a tight team and no one gets off easy. And i always wait for my castors to recharge. It just makes things go so much easier. I once did a very hard mision with just myself and five rangers from my guild.....no one died. We were all self sufficient and knew what to do.

In short...If you cant take care of yourself, or at least some way lessen the burden on your monk... don't expect them to automatically do it for you. You don't deserve it.

whitedragon · Jun 19, 2006, 11:16 PM // 23:16

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Originally Posted by Amon Borknagar

Iv'e played this game for a year now. There are people who know how to play it and there are people who don't. There are students of the game and there are dilinquents of the game. I am a student and this is what I have learned:

As far as w/mo's go, if you can't be a self sufficient killing machine, i.e., murdering and healing, take your ball and go home. A good w/mo will always be self sufficient and will take a big burden off of the monk, and the rest of his party. I design all of my mission builds with one thing in mind... freeing up the monk to help the softies. I don't mean softies in the negative sense. I need you guys to succeed. You mean more to me alive than dead, right? I'm being realistic.

I know it isn't popular anymore, but as a w/mo I carry mending for soley two purposes. If a monk is low on health, he may be rather low on energy to. So I'll drop mending on him to try to give him an edge. If he doesn't need it I cast it on me to be self sufficient. I do this with ALL my party members. So don't think all wammo's are blindly swinging away... I watch those red bars to. I have five skills devoted entirely to killing, three more to aid my party or myself. I mean come on... How hard is it? If I have mending and Balthazars Spirit on, I'll double click mending to release it and cast it on someone else. After a few seconds of regen.. bang rinse and repeat for me. I think that many w/mo's forget what the monk part in their class actually means lol. I would say alot of them are running the latest, shiny new build they got off a board somewhere and dont have the skill to use said build.

And the warrior rushing in because of adrenaline use argument is pretty shallow to me. I'd rather use energy based skills any day, and Balthazars Spirit makes sure I keep plenty of energy. I dont have patience to wait for adrenaline neways.

I guess I have been lucky enough to have studied and played long enough to make a good build, and learned how to help save my ass and someone else's if need be. So please quit bashing us w/mo's and calling us noobs...cause noob I'm not.

And I never leave without a monk and a ranger. If someone complains about a ranger being in the group... out they go. If some bashes the monk for their mistake.. they're out to. I run a tight team and no one gets off easy. And i always wait for my castors to recharge. It just makes things go so much easier. I once did a very hard mision with just myself and five rangers from my guild.....no one died. We were all self sufficient and knew what to do.

In short...If you cant take care of yourself, or at least some way lessen the burden on your monk... don't expect them to automatically do it for you. You don't deserve it.

//signed

Noa Lutra · Jun 19, 2006, 11:16 PM // 23:16

I agree with Amon. Case in point: Not so long ago I was working my monk to the end of the game. I was in Raisu Palace when I got into a team that had another monk. It was probably the worse PUG I ever got into. If you want to see how bad it was, picture a mesmer who aggro's two groups stays inthe middle of the fray, taking damage like no other and franctically yelling "Where's my *** healing stupid monkey?". The two tanks were running around like headless chickens leaving us monks undefended and when they were tanking they were losing HP at such a rate that the other monk and I never managed to keep them up. Pure chaos. Eventually everyone split in different directions. Needless to say we never made it. Far from it.

Back in Raisu I got into another team and this time around it was night and day. Everyone in the team knew what to do and required minimal healing and such. We litteraly punched through the mission and got Master's.

BowLad21 · Jun 19, 2006, 11:19 PM // 23:19

Monk Union- You abuse, you don't get healed. Now, the problem is, most non-monks keep their mouth shut, don't listen to the monk, then use caps locks when they weren't healed. I've personally given up on PUGs, chat isn't good enough for a non-guild group. When I put together a guild group, I KNOW everyone is listening. We all know our job. Things still go wrong, so you go, take a break, cool off, then go back.
If someone anger you, use chat. If they don't listen, obviously they don't respect you, so why do you heal them? Because you're a monk. And when one person out of a seven person PUG thanks you, it makes healing a little easier.

FalconDance · Jun 19, 2006, 11:22 PM // 23:22

I have a Tyrian monk (Ascended and done with the game) and a new Canthan monk as well as the other professions. Usually my monk goes out with friends or family who may (or may not) gather other players together. If I'm helping out friends, I always make sure the party knows a few simple, non-negotiable rules before we go romping off into a mission map:

1. Everyone who has it had better bring self-heal abilities *and use it!* as well as a resurrect (signet is better than nothing). A ranger's Troll Unguent is often as high or higher than Healing Breeze and that will allow me to heal the eles who have pissant self-heal instead. If you're a wammo and you don't bring some sort of heal, you will not be looked upon kindly. We are a team. We are not Us Mana-sinks and You healer. Also, I will heal pets as long as it does not endanger the human part of the team. Raising them, however, is up to their human companions.

2. Those who feel suicidal will not get healed, period. In other words, you run off by yourself or significantly ahead of the rest of us, you're on your own. I may raise you when we catch up, we'll see. <shrugs> And only warriors should be causing/holding the aggro. Whomever told an ele that they should rush where angels fear to tread should be shot! (I swear it's almost always an ele! Not mine, mind you.

I know I'm squishy.) You don't have the armor, the brains or the ability to tank---and I don't have the energy reserves to keep your asses healed as well as the warriors, rangers, etc. who are doing their jobs properly.

3. If I ping my energy, it would be wise to wait for me to regen if at all possible. If another group is moving up on us and it's not possible, then I'll do the best I can.

4. If you choose to ignore what I say, then please do not waste my time. I am a good healer but I am not invincible and I would much rather go with a party who thinks and plays together as a team.

This may sound like arrogance, but for the groups who pay attention, we have *always* been victorious in the end. It seems that as long as everyone knows what is what and is on the same page, just about anything is possible.

Cash · Jun 19, 2006, 11:53 PM // 23:53

amen falcon, amen.

i play my monk pretty much the same way. i only ping energy when its low, and if we're at a point we can wait, i expect everyone to stop (and since i use OOB for e-management this doesnt happen often). i show the same respect to eles too. if some idiot aggros a group that our team has already "X'ed" out or lined off on the map, i will not go in and try and save them- ill wait til they die and rebirth when the aggro moves off. as for pets, humans ALWAYS come first- and im not going to waste energy in a battle healing a pet under lvl 15 EVER. dont get me wrong, i dont mind a character bringing that pet and training it in missions. but to me, weak pets are worse than tank assassins - they will drain your energy fast.

for the life of me, i cannot understand why some warriors want to just rush into a new group right after killing the last group ...or why some eles think they should run in and arc echo MS BEFORE the rest of the group attacks. i have every a character for every profession, but i can honestly say my whammo is my "main" - my title char, most experienced, etc, etc. when i tank for a group i always ask if the team is ready before running in, and yes, i like to RUN in and gather aggro while the rest of the team sits back in safety- esp monks, eles, and mesmers. i dont mind being out of heal range for a second or two because as a warrior, i can take it. and because if the whole group is pounding me, our monks can actually sit back and heal instead of trying to run around and shake off aggro. i dont expect ANY monk to have to sit back and babysit me. i bring self heals but im not stupid enough to heal sig when getting hit by a lvl 28 boss and a few lvl 22s - in this case i DO expect a monk to know where the enemies damage is being directed and to act accordingly.

but monk, warrior, ele or whatever - it all comes down to the person behind the keyboard and their ability to play the game. ive yelled at warriors as a monk, and ive yelled at monks as a warrior. i do hate it when monks complain and get on a power-trip, because ive seen situations where honestly the monks WERE crap and would ping "my energy is 7 out of 45" 15 seconds into a battle ....

dreamhunk · Jun 19, 2006, 11:59 PM // 23:59

In some places there is not even enough monks or rt's I think anet should really lookst that. the henchies don't even cut it.

TadaceAce · Jun 20, 2006, 12:18 AM // 00:18

imo the monks that whine about getting yelled at are the ones that deserve to be yelled at, if your a good monk, your group shouldn't be dying unless there is an unreasonable amount of guys in which your group understands and won't blame you. I've been in some groups where the monks are so bad I'm ready to chew them out. I had a Mo/E in my group today that said he was boon prot. Then he proceeded to say "I'm boon prot, I don't heal, thats your job." Then he casted fire storm and chained flare.

If your getting flamed, most of the time you deserve it.

Former Ruling · Jun 20, 2006, 12:39 AM // 00:39

I think Monks are just as much at fault as these whiners. There are plenty of idiots on both sides.

PLENTY....on BOTH sides....

Idiots in a game like this show no profession choice, theres equal ranks in every one of them.

For every warrrior saying "REZZZ MEEEE!@@!!!!!! Noobs. *ragequits*" theres a monk that deserves every bit of "wheres my heals?" that he gets.... because hei s the idiot that cant manage his energy. I mean tis one thing to ping it after a big fight and wait for recharge, and another to Ping it EVERY 5 SECONDS with it being low, and complain that the party isn't going at your Snail pace. Its your problem if you try to spam 10-15 cost spells.

Noa Lutra · Jun 20, 2006, 12:47 AM // 00:47

@ TadaceAce: Whoa. I don't agree but not one bit. Like Amon said, if you're a W/Mo and cannot be self-sufficient for one second then you should just play another class. In both Prophecies and Factions, I've seen my share of excellent tanks, good tanks and just plain awful tanks who must be pampered like babies every second of the way.

@ Former Ruling: Granted, there are people on both sides who fail to fulfil their jobs, but monks do not have unlimited energy and that energy, once depleted because of high demand, must be regenerated. How many times have I seen a monk say "My energy is 2 of 45" only to see everyone rush into the next mob without waiting. And then asking where the heck is their healing.

Cottage Pie · Jun 20, 2006, 12:48 AM // 00:48

come on, let's face it: we LOVE being monks. it's like a license to bitch. We just stand there, cool as f##k, dishing out heals, saving peoples lives over and over again, without us the team would be dead in nanoseconds. Our excellent brilliantness has to compensate for our teams shitness, so, the shitter we make out our team to be, the more uberpro we are, right? ^_^

I used to say "I smite" at the beginning of games and missions, people would go "OMG NOOB MONKS HEALZ NOT DAMAGE!!1", ah, people, I love 'em.

Sagius Truthbarron · Jun 20, 2006, 12:59 AM // 00:59

I don't know why everyone is siding with the Amon guy. Sorry, but mending doesn't do much helping at all. Take Healing Signet. Its a much better heal for a warrior. You might aswell be a W/Rt with recuperation instead of a W/mo with mending.

You might want to also invest in some skills to buff your armor, like "Watch Yourself".

There are plenty of monks out there that don't bring any energy management. A monk shouldn't have to regen 62 energy after every small fray, and there are some that do.

Noa Lutra · Jun 20, 2006, 01:00 AM // 01:00

Now I was drinking water when I read your post Cottage, and because of you I now have to clean up that mess on my screen and keyboard.

Vahn Roi · Jun 20, 2006, 01:02 AM // 01:02

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Originally Posted by Caco-Cola

Eh just do what I do.

You complain, you get no heals.

That usually solves the complaining problem quickly.

haha, so true.

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Originally Posted by C Pie

come on, let's face it: we LOVE being monks. it's like a license to bitch. We just stand there, cool as f##k, dishing out heals, saving peoples lives over and over again, without us the team would be dead in nanoseconds. Our excellent brilliantness has to compensate for our teams shitness, so, the shitter we make out our team to be, the more uberpro we are, right? ^_^

I used to say "I smite" at the beginning of games and missions, people would go "OMG NOOB MONKS HEALZ NOT DAMAGE!!1", ah, people, I love 'em.

That is gold, I love it xD

Cottage Pie · Jun 20, 2006, 01:31 AM // 01:31

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Originally Posted by Noa Lutra

Now I was drinking water when I read your post Cottage, and because of you I now have to clean up that mess on my screen and keyboard.

^_^ first clean it's had in a while them uhm :P?:

But seriously,

I find the only way to really avoid bad groups is to talk a little before the team starts off, get to know what everyones build is and that can give you a rough idea of who will need healing and when, and especially of self heal/defence abilities. I stopped playing a few months back, but until then i had managed to solo monk (me as a WoH/HP, other heals + energy gaining interupts healer) teams through I think every mission in the prophecies game, Glint Lair, THK and all ring of fire island included and the FoW (but not UW). With a well organised team the game becomes easy

Not played in cantha yet though, am on a much needed break from GW

TadaceAce · Jun 20, 2006, 01:32 AM // 01:32

If you take 5 energy spells, say, orison, touch, eth light, healing light... and a signet or two, sig rejuv or sig devotion, you should not run outta energy. If somebody dies it should be from a spike. Even then, if you are a superb monk you can catch a spike and outheal it. You monks that use heal party, jameis gaze, heal other... you guys deserve to be chewed out for being a crappy healer.

Oh and another thing, whats with all the boon prot monks in pve? Sure that tells us your not a complete moron but you can do better. People use boon prot in GvG because of the insane warriors and ability to quick heal while kiting. Boon prots are NOT the best way to handle pve pressure healing.